<Date: December 5, 2012>

<Time: 08:30>

<Tran: 120504cb.410>

<Type: Show>

<Head: For December 5, 2012, CBS>

<Sect: News; International>

<Byline: Charlie Rose, Gayle King, Norah O`Donnell, Randy Paige, Mark


<Guest: Mark Pincus, Brian Banks>

<High: Talking with the CEO of Zynga. An exonerated prisoner talks about

pursuing a professional football career. A World War II carrier pigeon

message was recently discovered.>

<Spec: Internet; Business; Facebook; Zynga; Sports; Prisons; Crime; World

War II; Communications; Animals; Great Britain>

JIMMY FALLON (Late Night with Jimmy Fallon, NBC): If Facebook has announced that it will not be developing any of its own games and will continue to rely on outside companies, though Facebook can still take credit for that one popular game. Guess who got fat since high school?

GAYLE KING: I know that game.

Welcome back to CBS THIS MORNING. If you like going on Bubble Safari or plowing a field in FarmVille--you already know--you`re very well acquainted with Zynga. Analysts say the giant online gaming company takes in more than a billion dollars a year.

CHARLIE ROSE: But even a company that big can have growing pains. Zynga`s stock price has fallen more than seventy-five percent in the past year. Founder and CEO Mark Pincus joins us now. Welcome.

MARK PINCUS (Zynga Founder & CEO): Thanks. It`s good to be with you guys.

CHARLIE ROSE: So let`s just start with the obvious. What`s happened to the stock price?

MARK PINCUS: Okay. Beyond the obvious.


MARK PINCUS: What-- what`s happened is you have to step back and realize that-- that social gaming as an industry and even the internet is going through a tectonic shift to mobile.


MARK PINCUS: So the bigger story of 2012 is that we`re seeing consumers change their habits towards a mobile lifestyle at an unbelievable rate and we as an industry are moving quickly to-- to get ahead of that. And with some of our games like Words with Friends--


MARK PINCUS: --and Draw Something, Gayle knows.

GAYLE KING: Yes. I know Words with Friends--

MARK PINCUS: Those games are already very popular on mobile but the rest of our portfolio games are not yet on mobile. And-- and we as a company, are moving quickly to serve that audience.

CHARLIE ROSE: And how will you define the ongoing relationship with Facebook?

MARK PINCUS: I heard you say are we still BFFs?


MARK PINCUS: We`re still BFF.

GAYLE KING: You are. No. I was wondering, Mark, if it`s a situation of-- yes, we were dating and we were getting along very well, but now I need to separate, I need some space. Because it`s been reporting that you are pulling away from Facebook. True or not so true?

MARK PINCUS: It`s-- it`s not true. It`s-- what`s-- what`s really going on, there`s Face-- Facebook has been an amazing accelerator of growth for social gaming and-- and for our company and-- and really bringing gaming to a huge mass market on the web. But as I said that the future is really on mobile, phones and tablets. And for us, this is really about making the social available--the social opportunities for our players anything they want. And Facebook is the number one way that our players, our social and connect on mobile.



MARK PINCUS: But there`s a lot of other ways that they want to be social and we just wanted to give our players every possible way to connect with each other.

GAYLE KING: You know what`s fascinating to me is that women are huge gamers?

MARK PINCUS: They are.

GAYLE KING: Do they play differently? Number one, what do you think is so attractive about your games for women and do we play differently than men?

MARK PINCUS: Yes. The-- the fundamental idea behind our company in social gaming was I wanted to let people get back to this idea of sitting around a table and playing games with the people in your life, your friends and your family. And for so many people being social isn`t just head-to-head competition--


MARK PINCUS: --which is more a male experience.

GAYLE KING: Yes, yes.

MARK PINCUS: For a lot of women and-- and kids and other people it`s about collaborating and connecting and socializing and so many of our games. Even games like Words with Friends really are more about giving you a way to collaborate and play with people than play against people.

GAYLE KING: Against people.

MARK PINCUS: We really want to make them accessible and not intimidating for-- for women especially.

CHARLIE ROSE: Beyond mobile, what`s the future of games? I mean, you, for example, are now bundling it on pay-TV--


CHARLIE ROSE: --and-- and other places. Some say part of that is lessening the dependence on Facebook.

MARK PINCUS: Again, it`s-- it`s-- Facebook is going to continue to be important in really so many aspects--


MARK PINCUS: --of our lives. The-- the future in my opinion is about mobile and it is social.


MARK PINCUS: And for Facebook it`s fundamental to it. But when you say where is this all going that`s so exciting I think that you re going to see play and gaming coming to more of the fabric in our lives. And I think we shouldn`t underestimate how important mobile is to that because it means you can fit play in your pocket. You can fit play in every part of your life.


MARK PINCUS: For me I`ve got addicted lately to this app called Strava.



MARK PINCUS: For people who do road biking--


MARK PINCUS: --like me, it actually let`s you virtually compete with other people who do the same routes and rides you do. So that becomes a game for me. So-- so I just think that you are going to see the concept of play continue to expand.

CHARLIE ROSE: You and I have known each other for a while and--


CHARLIE ROSE: --and know you know Gayle for while. And we know you among a whole group of entrepreneurs, that`s sort of come together. If you were starting over today, where would you start? Would it be in gaming, would it be somewhere else in terms of building an app of some other kind?

MARK PINCUS: Well, I think that we-- it`s hard to even connect with the rate of change that`s going on because of mobile.


MARK PINCUS: And I think that every week-- almost every week I`m hearing about an amazing-- an innovative interesting--

CHARLIE ROSE: Right, right.

MARK PINCUS: --new service. And so it`s an amazing time that we as consumers are interested in finding new services and as an entrepreneur I would look at so many of these fundamental parts of our off-line life--


MARK PINCUS: --whether it`s how we travel, whether it`s how we bike, and think about are there ways that I can totally reinvent that in-- in a mobile and an app in a social context?

GAYLE KING: And your charity component too is so huge with what you do with the games. I-- I don`t think that that should be underestimated--the good that, that is done?


MARK PINCUS: Well, we`re so excited about--


MARK PINCUS: --what we`ve done with social virtual goods. And-- and this holiday we`ve launched a Toys for Tots program. Our-- we`ve-- our players-- more than a million players have donated to causes that they care about--


MARK PINCUS: --through our games. And with Toys for Tots, we`ve already in the first three days seen eleven-- twenty-seven thousand players contribute three hundred thousand dollars. And that`s going to give toys for eleven thousand kids this holiday.

GAYLE KING: Well, people say things look dicey for Zynga, but you look very satisfied and very comfortable where you`re sitting, Mark-- Mark Pincus.

MARK PINCUS: Well, I-- I think--


MARK PINCUS: --what really matters for any entrepreneur is, do you believe in the vision of a company? And for us, we only see more people playing--


MARK PINCUS: --games and being social today than when we started six-plus years ago. So I`m-- I`m really excited about what we can bring out next quarter and next year.


GAYLE KING: All right. Mark Pincus, good to see you always. Good to see you.

MARK PINCUS: Thanks for having me.

GAYLE KING: Brian Banks, he made headlines this year when he was exonerated for a crime he did not commit. He`s here to tell us how he is still pursuing his NFL dreams.

But first, at eight thirty-six, one more check of your local weather.



GAYLE KING: What a roller coaster of a year for Brian Banks. We first brought his story seven months ago here on CBS. The former high school football star was on probation after serving time for a crime that never happened. Then, Banks was given a second chance. As Randy Paige of our Los Angeles station KCBS reports he literally ran with it.

(Begin VT)

RANDY PAIGE: This might look like your average football game but for one man on the field, Brian Banks this chance to play professional football is a triumph over incredible odds.

BRIAN BANKS: I`m ecstatic. And I`m-- I`m-- I`m humbled by the whole experience.

RANDY PAIGE: A decade ago Banks was a star high school athlete with strong college prospects. But then a fellow student falsely accused him of rape. Banks was advised to plead no contest. He spent five years in prison, followed by four years wearing an ankle bracelet on probation as a registered sex offender. But just last year Banks and a private investigator were able to catch the accuser on tape, admitting she lied about the assault.

MAN (recording): Did he rape you?

WOMAN (recording): No, he did not rape me.

RANDY PAIGE: That led to Banks` exoneration in May. He was twenty-six years old. Banks` first thoughts were not of regret or revenge but of the game he loved.

BRIAN BANKS: I`d like to give a shot at the NFL.

RANDY PAIGE: Then-USC coach Pete Carroll was looking to recruit Banks a decade ago. Now coach of the Seattle Seahawks, he came calling once again.

BRIAN BANKS: I answered the phone, and it was Pete Carroll asking if I knew any linebackers. He was looking for a linebacker. I said, "You got the right number."

RANDY PAIGE: Banks got his shot but with no offers after trying out with several NFL teams he decided to sign with the Las Vegas Locomotives, a team in the United Football League.

Any way to describe the whirlwind you have been on?

BRIAN BANKS: Nonstop. Just nonstop in pursuit of the dream.

RANDY PAIGE: It is still a dream deferred. After the Locomotives won their first four games, financial pressures forced the UFL to cancel the rest of its season. But Brian Banks is not the kind of man to give up hope.

What have you learned about yourself?

BRIAN BANKS: That I ain`t going to-- I am never going to quit.

RANDY PAIGE: Banks says the dream continues to inspire him and it inspires everyone around him as well.

For CBS THIS MORNING, Randy Paige, Los Angeles.

(End VT)

GAYLE KING: Brian Banks, it`s really good to have you here at the table. Everybody that meets you walks away and says, wow. So let`s go back to the unpleasant part of the story. You`re falsely accused.

BRIAN BANKS (Exonerated Football Player): Mm.

GAYLE KING: You spend time in prison. Did you know this girl?

BRIAN BANKS: Yeah. We actually went to middle school together as well as high school.

GAYLE KING: And why do you think she decided to-- to accuse you?

BRIAN BANKS: You know we never really got the-- the answer to that. There`s been a few reasons that, you know, we came up to the conclusion but I think what it really came down to is she didn`t want her parents to know that she was sexually active.


GAYLE KING: And now you sit here with the word exonerated.


GAYLE KING: Take us back to that day in the courtroom and the judge says you are exonerated. You think what?

BRIAN BANKS: You know it was just mixed emotions. I think a bit of everything, just bittersweet. To have this finally be over with, to finally have my name cleared--


BRIAN BANKS: --and to have my life back but to also reflect on everything that I had gone through just to get to that point.


BRIAN BANKS: It`s been a ten-year struggle. You know so I`m just happy to be free now.


CHARLIE ROSE: Do you like your chances for being able to play football?

BRIAN BANKS: I do. I really do like my chances. And it`s still alive and, well, the dream is still in pursuit. You know, and I-- I think the California Innocence Project and my lawyer Justin Brooks--

CHARLIE ROSE: Right. Right.

BRIAN BANKS: --were allowing me to have this opportunity at giving football another shot.

NORAH O`DONNELL: We should point out that`s what your-- is on your sweatshirt?


NORAH O`DONNELL: It says California and the number is--




NORAH O`DONNELL: Innocence Project as a smaller underneath. Yeah.

BRIAN BANKS: Yeah, that`s. Yeah. The California Innocence Project. This is a logo of theirs. And as soon as I was exonerated, you know, I`d seen this logo before I was exonerated and it was just a shirt. And as soon as--

GAYLE KING: Oh, I took on a different meaning.

BRIAN BANKS: --I was exonerated it just meant so much more to me.

NORAH O`DONNELL: And so what are you hearing from NFL teams about your dream?

BRIAN BANKS: Well, right now, I had an opportunity to try out for a number of teams and the response was experience.


BRIAN BANKS: It wasn`t the lack of-- of ability.

CHARLIE ROSE: The ability.

GAYLE KING: Of talent, yeah.

CHARLIE ROSE: The ability.

BRIAN BANKS: Right. So having had the opportunity to play in the UFL and play around coaches that have NFL experience, players that have NFL experience I use that as a platform and a vessel to, you know, broaden my--


BRIAN BANKS: --my skill.

CHARLIE ROSE: Are there people saying give up that dream and pursue another dream--


CHARLIE ROSE: --because it can`t work.

BRIAN BANKS: Yeah. You know some people see my life heading in a direction of advocating for (INDISTINCT)--


BRIAN BANKS: --victim in a women and I do, too.


BRIAN BANKS: But football is still a big passion of mine and it`s still very close. I`ve talked to a few NFL teams--


BRIAN BANKS: --who are considering bringing me in before the season even ends. So it`s still in pursuit.

GAYLE KING: Yeah. But people are saying, yeah, but it`s been ten years--


GAYLE KING: --just the fact of lack of time in keeping up with the skill, you have no doubt that you could still do this game?

BRIAN BANKS: No doubt. Whatever you put your mind to you can achieve it.

CHARLIE ROSE: I mean that`s the important thing. Who has to believe in you is you, you know.



CHARLIE ROSE: On the-- on the other hand, there is also this aspect of your life, people who meet you--


CHARLIE ROSE: --respond to you--


CHARLIE ROSE: --you were in the greenroom with Mark Zynga--


CHARLIE ROSE: --I mean with-- with--

GAYLE KING: Mark Pincus.

CHARLIE ROSE: --Mark Pincus of Zynga. You know and he started talking about you when he sat down in a sense that the impression he knew nothing about you--


CHARLIE ROSE: --that you made on him.


CHARLIE ROSE: So you`re going to have lots of options, but only you can live with the dream--


CHARLIE ROSE: --that I can play football and I can show you.

BRIAN BANKS: Yeah. Mark is a great guy. And I-- I strongly believe in what you want in this world you must first put out. You know, you just have to be good for yourself and that in turn, you know.

GAYLE KING: How can you do this, though, with no bitterness-- with no bitterness against the girl, with no bitterness that football hasn`t worked out. How are you able to do that?

BRIAN BANKS: What`s important for me is forward progression. What am I going to do for me? Instead of sitting down and having negative thoughts about anyone or myself--


BRIAN BANKS: --I realized long time ago that-- that only stagnates me.


BRIAN BANKS: So what I do have control over is me while in any situation whether it would be good or bad.

CHARLIE ROSE: If you do that you`re only hurting yourself.

BRIAN BANKS: Most definitely.

CHARLIE ROSE: Thank you, Brian Banks.

BRIAN BANKS: Thank you so much. I really appreciate it.

CHARLIE ROSE: Great to have you here.

NORAH O`DONNELL: Thank you, Brian.

GAYLE KING: Did you get Mark`s number before you left?


CHARLIE ROSE: We`ll get it--

GAYLE KING: He is-- he is very impressed.

CHARLIE ROSE: You also should know that you can see a 60 MINUTES report on Brian Banks later this month right here on CBS.

World War II was full of secrets and some of them are still unsolved. We`ll look at the effort to decode a carrier pigeon message lost in a chimney seven years-- seventy years ago.

You`re watching CBS THIS MORNING.


JAY LENO (Tonight Show, NBC): And TMZ yesterday had a picture of Taylor Swift and her new boyfriend Harry Styles holding hands at 4:00 AM. 4:00 AM in the morning, they`re holding hands. You know why he`s holding her hand, so she can`t write a song about him. Yeah. He pulled that--

NORAH O`DONNELL: That`s excellent.


CHARLIE ROSE: That`s very good.


CHARLIE ROSE: Pigeons get more respect in Britain than they do here. In fact, carrier pigeons were an important part of the Allied communication system during World War II. Mark Phillips has the story of a long lost message that`s getting new attention.

(Begin VT)

MARK PHILLIPS (CBS News Correspondent): This is Bletchley Park, perhaps the most secret location of World War II Britain. It`s where the Nazi military codes were broken. Now it`s at the center of another story of wartime heroism and sacrifice and intrigue and pigeons.

(Begin VT)

MARK PHILLIPS: Pigeons, not the enemy-of-statues-in-the-park kind, the best friend of soldiers who use them to send vital messages kind. Paratroopers carried homing pigeons on D-Day when radio silence was essential. Bomber crews used them to report where they were if they were shot down. They braved snipers and hawks trained to kill them. Many made it through. Many didn`t, including this one.

DAVID MARTIN: The first bone to come down was this wrist bone.


David Martin found the remains of this bird when he was opening up what had been a boarded up fireplace thirty years ago. It seemed a bird had used the top of his chimney as its last roost a long time ago and then he found this:

DAVID MARTIN: This is the-- the final leg that came out of the chimney and it had on it this red capsule--


DAVID MARTIN: --which unscrews and when you unscrew it, you have a spindle there--a spool--


DAVID MARTIN: --slotted, and around that was a very flimsy piece--bigger than the cigarette paper, but even a thinner paper with a message on it.

MARK PHILLIPS: He still got it. It was clearly a wartime message written in code, clumps of five letters that make no sense unless you can decipher it.

It is not something you`d normally expect to find in your chimney?

DAVID MARTIN: I was absolutely flabbergasted. I mean it was unbelievable, unbelievable.

MARK PHILLIPS: David told the experts at Britain`s main war museum about it, but they weren`t interested. These things were common, they said. But lately, the people at Bletchley Park, now also a museum, but where they know about wartime codes, said they`d never heard of a coded pigeon message and he should really send it here to GCHQ, the British Government Communications Headquarters, where the current code breakers work. Now they`ve said--

DAVID MARTIN: We are working on the decryption.

MARK PHILLIPS: But that without knowing exactly which code book was used -- and there were many -- they can`t decipher it. Even though the message contains the name of the officer who sent it, where it was meant to go, and has the registration number of the bird who carried it. In his more conspiratorial moments, David Martin thinks they may not want to make the message public.

DAVID MARTIN: It could be that they have decoded it and it relates to British agents calling a bombing raid in France which killed a lot of civilians that was--


DAVID MARTIN: --that might still be sensitive. It might relate to traitors detected in the French resistance and that again might be sensitive.

MARK PHILLIPS: Whatever the reason, it`s focused attention on the exploits of the pigeons who get their own section at the code-breaking museum--

DAVID MARTIN: Message is implying--

MARK PHILLIPS: --for good reason says pigeon fan Colin Hill.

You look at these birds as heroes.

COLIN HILL (Pigeon Expert): Yeah, they-- they were heroes.

MARK PHILLIPS: Some were even given medals for their heroic service. But not David Martin`s poor pigeon, just another anonymous victim of the war.

Pigeon wars?

COLIN HILL: Pigeon wars. Yeah, it was unbelievable, when you, you know, sit and read about it, just what really did happen to the poor pigeons.

MARK PHILLIPS: So a pigeon whose registration number appears on no wartime register. An officer whose name can`t be found on any wartime roster and a code that some of the world`s best code breakers say they can`t break. You couldn`t make this up.

For CBS THIS MORNING, I`m Mark Phillips at Bletchley Park.

(End VT)

CHARLIE ROSE: Goodness (INDISTINCT). World War II is just a story that continues to give great stories.

GAYLE KING: And-- and doesn`t Mark Phillips always find a great story? I am so smitten with him. Every time he does a story I just sit and wait to see what is he going to say, and he always comes up with something.


NORAH O`DONNELL: And tells the good story--

GAYLE KING: And tells the good story.

NORAH O`DONNELL: --and the way his story is wonderful.

CHARLIE ROSE: From carrier pigeons to the birth of a new royal.


GAYLE KING: That`s right. That`s right.

NORAH O`DONNELL: He can do it all.

GAYLE KING: In one shot.


CHARLIE ROSE: That does it for us. Up next, your local news. We`ll see you tomorrow right here on CBS THIS MORNING. Taking a look at the stories that you want and also ninety seconds. See you tomorrow.


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